tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8458080909001903011.post411548577980031859..comments2023-09-14T06:40:37.907+02:00Comments on Nick Farrell's Blog: In Defence of the Lesser Invoking PentagramAnonymoushttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11198094991381684617noreply@blogger.comBlogger27125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8458080909001903011.post-36831080235241505922014-09-16T14:27:31.866+02:002014-09-16T14:27:31.866+02:00Would a daily regime of LIRP MPR LBRP be good for ...Would a daily regime of LIRP MPR LBRP be good for the beginner?Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13459328549863222021noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8458080909001903011.post-64132076811804064952014-05-19T14:18:11.722+02:002014-05-19T14:18:11.722+02:00The main problem with the banishing pentagram is t...The main problem with the banishing pentagram is that if done continuously, in an uncontrolled way, can lead to problems with the spirits of both oneself and the environment. Certainly it may be necessary in a haunted place, but do it where it is not needed is only brought enemies who could be allies. And this is pure experience, there are hundreds of people suffering from the problems of their extreme liking to stay in an insulating capsule.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8458080909001903011.post-79123093415769585172013-12-03T18:06:16.560+01:002013-12-03T18:06:16.560+01:00Hey, i'm back again. And after a month or so o...Hey, i'm back again. And after a month or so of repeated use of the LIRP i have noticed how incredibly fast i progressed. And the speed of thought at which i process things...But for some reason the LBRP just soothes me and calms me down when the LIRP just aggravates me nowadays. It could be psychic disturbances and a necessary banishing was needed. But i certainly noticed the difference between the two rituals. I beat the whole ''laziness'' feeling and i overcame many obstacles with the LIRP by repeated use, even my empathy increased and my intuition became much deeper and vast. <br /> rockz_gaiahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10284179218934116362noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8458080909001903011.post-51396796155125325712013-10-13T15:04:26.731+02:002013-10-13T15:04:26.731+02:00I would look at why telling things to fuck off mak...I would look at why telling things to fuck off makes you feel godlike and receiving unconditional love and invoking forms higher than you makes you feel balanced lazy and bored. I am not hassling you, just pointing out that the different power has different effects on the ego and you need to look at this carefully as part of any magical experiment.<br /> Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11198094991381684617noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8458080909001903011.post-20243932752892719462013-10-13T13:55:00.871+02:002013-10-13T13:55:00.871+02:00So i have been practicing the LIRP for about 2 wee...So i have been practicing the LIRP for about 2 weeks now. And i have noticed that it is important that you should balance both of the rituals. Because over extensive use of said rituals gave me negative effects and sensations. The LBRP made me feel very cut off from reality. But made me feel like a living GOD!<br />The LIRP made me feel much more ''balanced'' in reality but made me feel utterly lazy and bored out of my mind for some reason. Plus my emotions didn't flow that well into my heart chakra. BUT! I DID enjoy the sensations first time i practiced with it simple because it was a bit different.<br />To be honest, i just casted my Lesser BANISHING ritual of the pentagram 10 minutes ago. And i'm already starting to feel the amazing god like feelings the ritual gives. Along with the unconditional love and happiness i cannot describe.<br />As i stated above though, i believe that balance should be kept between rituals. Whatever you practice that is. So energy can transmute and change within your body. <br />rockz_gaiahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10284179218934116362noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8458080909001903011.post-31299551183441904102013-08-27T03:46:40.222+02:002013-08-27T03:46:40.222+02:00Thank you for your post; it has blown the portion ...Thank you for your post; it has blown the portion of my mind dedicated to the LRP and made me reconsider my daily practice. <br /><br />I re-read Crowley's "Notes on the Lesser Ritual of the Pentagram" and the only dis-balance towards banishing I could see was a recommendation to do the banishing ritual two or three times a day to keep the aura in good condition. I suppose this could lead to some students doing lots of banishing and not bothering with invoking (because that would mean even more rituals per day). Nowhere does he say not to do the invoking. Even his praise of the ritual says "Those who regard this ritual as a mere device to invoke or banish spirits, are unworthy to possess it. Properly understood, it is the Medicine of Metals and the Stone of the Wise." So when he talks about the ritual, he means both invoking and banishing. Even in Liber Aleph verse 16, it is "Neglect not the Performance of the Ritual of the Pentagram, and of the Assumption of the Form of Hoor-pa-Kraat." Again, no emphasis on banishing. <br /><br />This has been an important lesson in questioning one's assumptions and reading more carefully. It's easy to see what's there, but harder to see what's not there (i.e. the word "banishing").Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8458080909001903011.post-36196144274290188212013-02-28T14:23:18.669+01:002013-02-28T14:23:18.669+01:00Wow, thank you for the insight. I had the idea th...Wow, thank you for the insight. I had the idea that if the written LBRP had that much wrong with it, folks would have exposed the issues with it long ago.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8458080909001903011.post-1226024865568968242013-02-28T07:57:08.578+01:002013-02-28T07:57:08.578+01:00I don't wish to be hyper critical but I don...I don't wish to be hyper critical but I don't like it at all. Some of the things which "need to be corrected" should not be there in the first place. They reflect a misunderstanding of what the pentagram is about. Secondly it appears to be an attempt to make the LRP more compatible with the author's thelemic beliefs. " It would make much more sense (especially in light of the New Aeon) for the magician to identify himself with that light considering that he is establishing himself (not God) as the center of the Universe in this ritual." Yeah because you want to make yourself the centre of the universe and not god don't you?" "Amen is exchanged for IAO, a solar formula of resurrection associated with Tiphareth" Amen is a divine name of Kether and it closes the energy loop of the cross by returning it to its source. <br />". While the original version instructs the magician to touch the breast when saying Malkuth, modern magicians often touch the groin at this point in the ritual. The latter method makes more sense, as it fully extends the cross of light over the whole body. Also, while the groin is given to the sephira Yesod, it is much closer to the feet where Malkuth resides. The crossbars of the cross of light are visualized as extending into infinity" If a modern magician is touching their groin at this point they have it wrong. Touching the lower breast sets up a resonance to Malkuth in the same way that touching the forehead sets up a resonance with the crown centre. Touching the breast creates a flow straight down to Malktuth while the groin opens up yesod and makes the astral forces your malkuth.<br />The article says we should be doing our banishing circles anti-clockwise in fact that does not fit into the 0=0 (which the LRP is based on). The banishing is to do with the consecration and purification aspects of the 0=0 while the invoking is to do with the invocation of the higher self. All these things are done while the temple is going clockwise. You only use the anti-clockwise circumambulation to shut down. Going anti-clockwise would drive the circle closer to the earth or the Qlippoth depending how good you are.<br />The article makes the classic assumption that the pentacles are elemental and then says these are wrong. He assumes that you are banishing the element, when you clearly are not. <br />"Four four-letter Hebrew god names are used as words of power to charge the pentagrams: YHVH in the East, ADNI in the South, AHIH in the West, and AGLA in the North. Yet three of the four god-names are clearly associated with the element in the opposite quarter in which they is vibrated. This confusion of the god-names is the fourth blind of the LBRP." If the pentacles are not elemental (which they are not) then there is nothing wrong with distributing the names of god in this fashion.<br />He claims that YHVH does not work well with the other names in the circle and suggests Eloah instead because this is the password of the 3=8. While that is a silly reason to change it, he does not change the other names to their more elemental passwords. <br />Generally I find that when people say that something is "blinded" they are wrong. There is sometimes a typo, or the original writer intended it to be that way. The paper, although interesting, suggests that the writer has not seen the LRP in the context of the Golden Dawn teaching and structure, but rather through the eyes of something like OTO. In my view if the LRP is done this way it would create a self-obsessed person who sees their ego at the centre of the universe and who stoops down to the darkly splendid void to banish. This pentagram might work and do some good within an OTO or AA context but it would not within a GD working. <br /><br /> Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11198094991381684617noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8458080909001903011.post-13430418511822033032013-02-28T07:24:11.922+01:002013-02-28T07:24:11.922+01:00I would... Generally I only do the banishing when ...I would... Generally I only do the banishing when I want something to go away, which is not that often. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11198094991381684617noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8458080909001903011.post-33565454104818616712013-02-28T05:25:27.215+01:002013-02-28T05:25:27.215+01:00Also, in researching the LBRP to gain some more kn...Also, in researching the LBRP to gain some more knowledge on the ritual, I cam across this link - http://hermetic.com/osiris/nbrp.htm<br /><br />The author describes the piece as "In this essay I will identify these inconsistencies or “blinds” and correct them to formulate a logical, perfected version of the LBRP"<br /><br />If you have the time, could you view this article and comment? I'd like to know if the points are valid and should be considered, or if they are wrong, and why they are wrong. At first glance, this looks to be heavily influenced by Crowley, but I am not sufficiently versed to know if this is the case or not.<br /><br />Thank you.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8458080909001903011.post-34405603525207613192013-02-28T05:20:04.687+01:002013-02-28T05:20:04.687+01:00Thank you for this article Nick.
I have been pra...Thank you for this article Nick. <br /><br />I have been practicing the LBRP, LBHR, MP, LBRP succession daily for several months. When I first began to do the LBRP, there were immediate and noticeable changes in my life. Not huge, but noticeable. Several situations that had been frozen for quite some time all of a sudden all began some movement. It trailed off rather quickly, but things seem more balanced to me. I especially feel more balanced and quiet of spirit.<br /><br />My question is, how can I work this information into my daily practice? Should I simply replace banishing with invoking?<br /><br />Unfortunately I need to remain anonymous for posting here.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8458080909001903011.post-35024085416901803942013-02-04T21:49:56.459+01:002013-02-04T21:49:56.459+01:00Thank you....need to join this group...:)Thank you....need to join this group...:)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8458080909001903011.post-37516324690999099832013-02-04T20:47:34.670+01:002013-02-04T20:47:34.670+01:00No dont be frightened of Archangels and divine nam...No dont be frightened of Archangels and divine names... calling on them does not unbalance the world... in fact the world needs more light. Basically what i am saying is that the GD used the invoking ritual all the time and only the banishing when they were in strange space and needed to clear it before hand or if something nasty was coming for them. Getting people out of the "must banish" mindset is a little tricky.<br />Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11198094991381684617noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8458080909001903011.post-24248940408939712122013-02-04T20:29:05.019+01:002013-02-04T20:29:05.019+01:00So invoking ritual....only for Day, then in the ev...So invoking ritual....only for Day, then in the evening should I close it with a banishing ritual to keep the energies at bay?<br /> <br />Again many thanksAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8458080909001903011.post-18725470376027281722013-02-04T18:30:39.078+01:002013-02-04T18:30:39.078+01:00No you just do the invoking instead of the banishi...No you just do the invoking instead of the banishing... unless a demon is coming at your throat... then the banishing is more appropriate. I cant see how the moon thing was ever a good idea. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11198094991381684617noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8458080909001903011.post-76094885568477246892013-02-04T18:20:22.580+01:002013-02-04T18:20:22.580+01:00Have been doing banishing rituals, would like to s...Have been doing banishing rituals, would like to start invoking, Right now the moon is waning do I still only do the the banishing ritual and wait until the moon is waxing... or can I start with invoking and when my ritual is complete close it with the banishing exercise..and .Is this the Standard for everyday??? <br /><br />Your help is greating appreciated :)<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8458080909001903011.post-83438785800044717962013-02-02T00:36:47.518+01:002013-02-02T00:36:47.518+01:00Thanks. The thing is too, even in the banishing f...Thanks. The thing is too, even in the banishing form there is still invoking - but of course that is the invoking of the Archangels by visualizing their presence and calling their names. And also the six-rayed star is also invoked. Essentially we invoke positive energy to banish negative energy. Banishing and Invoking appear to bear a Yin-Yang relationship to each other in that sense- as inter-dependent complements.Soror SDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03326275677269142256noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8458080909001903011.post-67588632730796261102013-01-30T07:35:34.316+01:002013-01-30T07:35:34.316+01:00The Lesser ritual is not elemental (http://nickfa...The Lesser ritual is not elemental (http://nickfarrell.eu/nick-farrell-banishing-ritual-of-the-pentagram.html) it is directional, so you just do four pentagrams. The Supreme Ritual is, and that involves the use of active and passive spirit pentagrams to control the elemental force at the four directions.<br />Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11198094991381684617noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8458080909001903011.post-23820355621960853322013-01-30T01:45:47.801+01:002013-01-30T01:45:47.801+01:00Great text.
I was wandering should one do 4 LPR ...Great text. <br /><br />I was wandering should one do 4 LPR (invoking each element separately) or the ritual should be done using the proper elemental invoking form of the pentagram associated to the side of the word and combining them into one ritual? Or should one just use the invoking Ritual of Earth?<br /><br />Any guidance you can give me is greatly appreciated. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8458080909001903011.post-48565357594889970182013-01-27T18:01:42.120+01:002013-01-27T18:01:42.120+01:00The whole idea of balance is stressed heavily in t...The whole idea of balance is stressed heavily in the Golden Dawn, and was done so since the beginning. We see this in the Neophyte Ceremony (and the Elemental Grades as well) and we clearly see it in the teachings. The LRP being the ritual primarily given out in all the original Orders. As Nick points out, these papers are essentially the same in the original Orders (what you read in Regardie's "The Golden Dawn" in the First Knowledge Lecture concerning the LRP (which is from the SM) is primarily the same as what was handed out at Isis-Urania. <br /><br />The Two Contending Forces and one that Reconciles them. Banishing and Invoking are the contending forces in the life of the beginning magician (and the advanced magician as well), the Reconciling Force between these two is the Spiritual Nature which helps balance and elevate the practitioner to the Higher Aspirations of their Soul.<br /><br />@Druff - Nick's advice is very good in regards to being careful which group you choose to work with based on the quality of their teachings. Always, Always, research in depth any organization that you have a mind to join. Those that claim to be the holders of the only truth and the one true way are those groups that should be dealt with in caution.<br /><br />Ask questions about the group(s). Find out all that you can before you commit yourself to any organization.Samuelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17632354162677613998noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8458080909001903011.post-41068325214231236982013-01-27T17:00:58.791+01:002013-01-27T17:00:58.791+01:00Hi Druff yes they exist but you have to be very ca...Hi Druff yes they exist but you have to be very careful which one you pick because they are a mixed quality. Some of them have been formed by people who have picked up a copy of Regardie and dont really add much to it. Others are quite good and work really hard. It is just a matter of searching and asking the right questions.<br />Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11198094991381684617noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8458080909001903011.post-45468214964247142352013-01-27T05:16:57.076+01:002013-01-27T05:16:57.076+01:00I love the content -- how do I join an actual, phy...I love the content -- how do I join an actual, physical chapter of the GD, assuming they exist? Not interested in an online program but would love to join a lodge, etc. Many thanks for any guidance.druffnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8458080909001903011.post-49987027933719554512013-01-26T10:59:19.848+01:002013-01-26T10:59:19.848+01:00Hi - great post, Nick.
I will admit I have probab...Hi - great post, Nick.<br /><br />I will admit I have probably been too quick to focus on the LBRP in the past with my students. I guess it comes from many of them coming initially with a bit of baggage from various reasons. Over the years as I have helped students, I have had to say "invoke as well as banish". People tend to get too banishment focused for sure and invoking is needed for all sorts of reasons.<br /><br />Thanks...will look into this a bit more. Also, did you see how this post earned you being called (sarcastically) a "Golden Dawn guru" by one of the past bigger players? :) Have funPeregrinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09508191641503321789noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8458080909001903011.post-36572268804532320042013-01-24T20:29:19.943+01:002013-01-24T20:29:19.943+01:00Great Article. Explained very succinctly. :)Great Article. Explained very succinctly. :)Jade Melanyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01807784009523704248noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8458080909001903011.post-75567160553788953542013-01-24T20:22:47.658+01:002013-01-24T20:22:47.658+01:00The papers were from the AO, GD and SM and no if y...The papers were from the AO, GD and SM and no if you are not told the points of the pentagram you just know that the pentagram generally means four elements plus spirit.<br />Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11198094991381684617noreply@blogger.com