tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8458080909001903011.post3484874035741669470..comments2023-09-14T06:40:37.907+02:00Comments on Nick Farrell's Blog: On SecrecyAnonymoushttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11198094991381684617noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8458080909001903011.post-42741843534418394612010-09-19T05:35:32.730+02:002010-09-19T05:35:32.730+02:00From a solitary perspective Ive never considered s...From a solitary perspective Ive never considered some of the things here. Incredible insight. I agree with every bit of it. <br /><br />Very nice. <br /><br />edneognosticahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13245556100155172903noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8458080909001903011.post-72857294752612689512010-08-18T09:14:19.488+02:002010-08-18T09:14:19.488+02:00Olen, I think this is the first time I've seen...Olen, I think this is the first time I've seen anyone explicitly delineate the Succession from the First Temple to the Hru of the GD, accompanied by the mechanisms of the Transmission. Especially important is the Cave of Eliahu, for here is the archetype of Elias Artist... who is symbolised by the Saltire Cross of St. Andrew. The "pathway leading to enlightenment" is the Winding Stair of the Compagnonnic tradition, and the descent of the Ruach HaKodesh is often symbolised by what we referred to recently elsewhere, the Caducaeus of Cagliostro...<br /><br />Thanks again for these epiphanies.<br /><br />Ianianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13767999291109622382noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8458080909001903011.post-17951812922852275402010-07-29T21:10:25.430+02:002010-07-29T21:10:25.430+02:00Hi Nick,
I've been studying Izbeka Radzin Has...Hi Nick,<br /><br />I've been studying Izbeka Radzin Hasidism and their take on this is very pertinent to this topic. They consider a primordial tradition that predates the revelation on Sinai.<br /><br />This primordial Abrahamic tradition moved from the “Transcendant” Melchezedekian worship of the “most high G_d”, i.e. the Transcendant Deity to its “Revelation” in Corporeality via Abraham. Who walked with G_d, despite the lack of Rabbinic Laws and Mitzvot.<br /><br />This was also “revealed” to Moses in engravings from the very “Hand” (i.e. “Yod”) of Deity, but was again concealed due to the sin of the “Golden Calf”. At this point it was “enclothed” or hidden beneath certain “Laws” or obligations.<br /><br />Later, this was again revealed by the “Prophets” who could move past these Laws (David ate food from the Temple, etc.) and “reveal” the “Hidden Primordial Tradition” that the “Written Laws” concealed.<br /><br />When the First Temple was destroyed (think symbolically First Temple = Prophecy), this “Primordial Abrahamic” and Kabbalistic Tradition was again concealed. <br /><br />When the Second Temple was built, despite the Loss of Prophecy, one could receive the “Ruach HaKodesh” and the Prophet Eliahu could through “Inspiration” once again reveal what lay completely Occulted away within the Scriptures and now Rabbinic Law, called Halakhah.<br /><br />So, we then see Rabbi Schimeon and his Son, who receive the Primordial Abrahamic Transmission via Ruach HaKodesh and Eliahu in the Cave.<br /><br />However, if you study Rabbi Schimeon’s death in the Sefer HaZohar... upon his death the “Gates of Wisdom were shut!”. Meaning once again the Primordial Tradition was concealed. But!... we are also told that from that point “All Wisdom comes through Rabbi Schimeon”... so the words of the Zohar are not the “Revelation” of Rabbi Schimeon but the “Concealment” of this teaching...<br /><br />The reason that the Lurianic writings over-ruled the past Kabbalah, is that through the Holy ARIZAL, OBM, the “Concealed Teachings” of Rabbi Schimeon were “Revealed”...<br /><br />Now, the Holy ARIZAL, OBM “Revealed” these teachings only to his Students, and they copiously wrote down his every word (He only taught for 1 ½ years). So, upon his death these teachings were concealed within the technical “green language” of Kabbalah.<br /><br />The Ba’al Shem Tov, OBM (or other similar Tzaddikim in other Heretical traditions) stripped the words bare of their technical terminology and revealed the Primordial Tradition to the common person.<br /><br />So, in Kabbalah, (and I do consider the GD of this tradition, equal to or even more so than the influence of the RC tradition) transmission is not linear, not from me to you per se, or you to me... it may in fact skip entire generations...<br /><br />Only when one receives the appropriate and “guided” inspiration are the words stripped of their “Shell”, of their ”garment”, their “Qliphah” is the Primordial Tradition allowed to shine through.<br /><br />The Frankist Zoharites (the source of the GD Kabbalah, and Kabbalah of the Asiatic Brethren) believed that any devout Believer had the potential to house the Ruach HaKodesh and even a portion of the Soul of Messiah. And that one so elevated was beyond all laws, all obligations...<br /><br />From Shaarei Kedushah: The Seventh Gate: Ruach HaKodesh in our Times by Hakham Rabbi Chaim Vital Calabrese of most precious memory:<br /><br />"In the previous gate, we have warned the Initiate in regards to the pitfalls that lie in the pathway leading to enlightenment. Still, he should not give up. Commenting on the verse, 'Deborah was a prophetess' (Judges IV: 4), the prophet Elijah instructed his disciples (Tanna De Bei Eliahu IX), "I call heaven and earth to bear witness, that any individual, Man or Woman, Jew or Gentile, Freeman or Slave, can have Ruach HaKodesh come upon them. It all depends on One's deeds."<br /><br />OlenFr. A.https://www.blogger.com/profile/09100316012648450310noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8458080909001903011.post-79184772535012677792010-07-29T17:14:51.768+02:002010-07-29T17:14:51.768+02:00Hi Olen
Exactly.... the real truth behind magic is...Hi Olen<br />Exactly.... the real truth behind magic is not secret because it is part of an oath. The point is that even the best teacher can only explain part of the equation because the mysteries are personal. It is like many things in the occult game, people take things literally and ignore the symbolic blind. <br />The Oath is not made to a person... if you look at the language of the GD oath it describes the setting as being in the Temple... but you are not making an oath before a representative of the chief adept... you are making an oath between your lower self and the higher self (God).<br />God has placed the mystery of man in plain view. It can be talked about seen... but no one can understand it. The mysteries are a bit like the Hitchhikers Guide's Somebody else's problem field. If you put it over a mountain people would walk over the mountain and not see it because it is "somebody else's problem". People have these GD documents and never really understand them. There ignorance of what is being said stands out.<br />Take for example the first knowledge lecture. How many people have really studied it? How many people KNOW how to do the lesser ritual of the pentagram? Even the way people do it is not the way that it is written.... they might think they know it, but they don't. And when they start to pull it apart they find a complete magical system. All the in the knowledge papers... with a few hints and clues. The point is that the truth is concealed in the knowledge paper, but most people have never read it. They think they KNOW the lesser banishing ritual of the pentagram and that is it. <br />It is not pieces of paper that are secret... they are not even keys.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18397283594429773853noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8458080909001903011.post-2941858830213959972010-07-29T16:45:16.113+02:002010-07-29T16:45:16.113+02:00Hi Nick,
Interesting thread as always.
Having r...Hi Nick,<br /><br />Interesting thread as always. <br /><br />Having roots in an extremely secretive tradition that is a couple hundred years or more older than the GD, and still in existence. I am appreciative of the varied points of view.<br /><br />However, in my tradition, the concept of "Secrecy" is really about "Concealment" vs "Revelation". In fact the Rites of Circumcision are really a comment on these concepts. Basically, the "Secrets" of the Primordial Tradition are as much concealed "in their being written, and distributed". Only by "Revelation" is the Hidden Mystery explained.<br /><br />In Kabbalah, the Zohar conceals the Primordial Mystery. It can ONLY be accessed by its "Revelation" which requires "Divine Inspiration" which moves beyond the written word. So, the concealment of the "Secret" is hidden within plain sight. This is the basis of the "Violation of the Law is its true fulfillment" a Talmudic maxim.<br /><br />In Light,<br />OlenFr. A.https://www.blogger.com/profile/09100316012648450310noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8458080909001903011.post-40558007505501316322010-07-26T17:30:01.160+02:002010-07-26T17:30:01.160+02:00Hi Perigrin
Two names seems like a bit of an effor...Hi Perigrin<br />Two names seems like a bit of an effort... We have an NDA which outlines what they are going to have to swear too without being too specific. Our oath is a little different, but not THAT much. Some of the more silly stuff went west. The labels of the order was one.... we dont have labels on our course materialAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18397283594429773853noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8458080909001903011.post-30937127471057605452010-07-26T17:19:21.797+02:002010-07-26T17:19:21.797+02:00Hi SR
If they both had it they both turned out com...Hi SR<br />If they both had it they both turned out completely different vaults :-) In fact the book of the Tomb I published was the most complete I found anywhere. It was more of a GD document than an AO one.<br />When you end up looking at psychotherapy you have to look at things symbolically. Freud did consider complete secrecy a pathology and extended throughout a person's life (not just in therapy). Reich followed a similar pattern with his idea of body armour. <br />What we are looking at here is a balance... I am saying there are somethings you need to be secretive about, and others which it is better for the entire GD community that you are not. David must have gone through a similar process when he wrote his book and no doubt you do when you write your stuff. The moment you publish anything you are going to be labelled an oath breaker what ever you do.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18397283594429773853noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8458080909001903011.post-3909480809616484562010-07-26T02:02:58.300+02:002010-07-26T02:02:58.300+02:00Nick, in the words of the immortal Meatloaf, "...Nick, in the words of the immortal Meatloaf, "you took the words right out of my mouth". Everything I was thinking of putting in a projected post and far more. THANK YOU. No need for me to write the post now as this is really comprehensive :) <br /><br />Just a quick addition. Some contemporary Orders and Temples do keep their name secret, whereby it becomes one of the unique magical symbols of the Order. They then have an Outer name by which they are known. Our Order did this with the inspid "Golden Dawn Society of Western Australia" :)<br /><br />Personally, I think the initial oath of an Order should be presented in a rough form to the prospective Neophyte. This avoids the candidate when in a vulnerable and open position being asked to swear to something they later regret. As mentioned over at MOTO my initial GD obligation suddenly diverged from the traditional to include an oath of allegiance to the directives of a particular Frater – not a GD office, but the individual member who was the leader of our Order. <br /><br />Thanks again for a great post :)Peregrinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09508191641503321789noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8458080909001903011.post-58704908553925650332010-07-26T00:29:19.684+02:002010-07-26T00:29:19.684+02:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Sincerus Renatus...https://www.blogger.com/profile/16773943810683981054noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8458080909001903011.post-88618486314730027262010-07-25T18:17:22.132+02:002010-07-25T18:17:22.132+02:00Thanks Nick for this post on secrecy. I refer to t...Thanks Nick for this post on secrecy. I refer to the authors mentioned here on a regular basis. Although I have not made it in a group yet, I will keep these things in mind when doing the work and posting to my blog<br /><br />http://howsthatforesoteric.blogspot.com/PhoenixAngelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02628182447302904322noreply@blogger.com