tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8458080909001903011.post1448266823973507000..comments2023-09-14T06:40:37.907+02:00Comments on Nick Farrell's Blog: Diagrams in the Golden DawnAnonymoushttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11198094991381684617noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8458080909001903011.post-25210750503136213832010-05-05T21:20:03.364+02:002010-05-05T21:20:03.364+02:00We are hoping to have it finished by next year. I...We are hoping to have it finished by next year. I am going to have to start work on the book soonAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18397283594429773853noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8458080909001903011.post-35983410330235246472010-05-05T20:15:44.201+02:002010-05-05T20:15:44.201+02:00Great post.... I have two of the original decks an...Great post.... I have two of the original decks and The Golden Dawn Magical Tarot ... Some may have already posted but when will the deck be made available ./....Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8458080909001903011.post-89557893992890022372010-04-15T18:46:20.930+02:002010-04-15T18:46:20.930+02:00Thanks Edward. Colour is optional with the spirit...Thanks Edward. Colour is optional with the spirits, but I find they work really wellAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18397283594429773853noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8458080909001903011.post-82403617913520213122010-04-15T16:06:55.526+02:002010-04-15T16:06:55.526+02:00Hi Nick, I just wanted to say how impressed I was ...Hi Nick, I just wanted to say how impressed I was by your article of the olympic spirits in the Journal of the Western Mystery Tradition. Both the content and the use of colour in the Olympic seals realy captivated me. I am a member of a GD group in Brisbane Australia that uses Ware Ra material that we obtained from Pat Z. The use of colour in the olympic seals really brings them to life energeticaly and I plan to experiment with other GD symbols along these lines with my own personal work.Edward John Fearn N.D, Dip C.Hhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10476825735660817184noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8458080909001903011.post-80479520989604382372010-04-11T14:59:35.640+02:002010-04-11T14:59:35.640+02:00Hi Harry
I take your point. The only thing that w...Hi Harry<br />I take your point. The only thing that we are doing "new" here is using coloured diagrams. The use of diagrams is part of the real GD tradition. The use of colours makes the experience of the diagrams more intense. However most of the experience that many of us have with the 3=8 and 4=7 might be because we never used the diagrams at all. We suffered from the balancing and teaching effect being stripped out of the order by the Bristol temple. It is my belief that without the diagrams the elemental force comes flooding into the temple and reacts with the psyche of the candidate. This causes the fall out. However the diagrams channel that energy so that it manifests in the candidate's sphere of sensation in a much more balanced way. The use of the diagrams and the colours have resulted in dramatic initations that have resulted in change for the people involved. However it seems to be less negative. Sure people have their bad experiences, but it seems they are usually also given the way of dealing with them. <br />My feeling is that black or white or colour would not change this process. However I feel colour is more effective in providing that magical toolNick Farrellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01663533542726414450noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8458080909001903011.post-25458845939487769842010-04-11T14:42:49.772+02:002010-04-11T14:42:49.772+02:00Hi Nick,
Your research and valuable insights are i...Hi Nick,<br />Your research and valuable insights are interesting and definitely worth exploring further. But my concern is that enough time hasn't been given for tentative research into how powerfully these new symbols affect the Candidate over the long-term. We know from the HOGD that very few who start out on this path make it to the Portal - the 4=7 in particular can be a viscious time for the Candidate, and that is without any changes to the ceremony.<br />A Candidate's sphere of sensation isn't a blank canvas but is already a complicated instrument that has brought him or her to the GD path, and should be handled with the utmost of care. The very fact that the original Golden Dawn never survived should make us very careful on bringing in too much too soon without thorough testing. <br />Love,<br />HarryUnknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14137464148481888172noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8458080909001903011.post-73665358409926245142010-04-10T14:28:33.214+02:002010-04-10T14:28:33.214+02:00Hi again Nick,
thanks for clarifying. Your reason...Hi again Nick,<br /><br />thanks for clarifying. Your reasoning is very similar to ours when we started our little temple and used the colours in the Outer. It is nice to know we are not alone in our thoughts :) Naturally we have dropped that clause from the Inner oath, and I assume you have also. <br /><br />There was an Order in Perth in the 80s headed by an English SIRA chap which used the rituals from the original Regardie as they were published. I never advanced beyond 1=10 in that Order before it closed, but even at 1=10 the defiencies in the Regardie redaction are noticeable. That said, I do think some folk in that order would say it provided a real Golden Dawn connection. How, I'm not sure...but I'm not sure about a lot, really. Ta :)Peregrinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09508191641503321789noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8458080909001903011.post-82883861633430361062010-04-10T13:45:18.844+02:002010-04-10T13:45:18.844+02:00Hi SR
I am inclined to believe Tony that they reve...Hi SR<br />I am inclined to believe Tony that they reverted back to the SM rituals. After Regardie published the cut down ones they could go back to the old secret ones and knowing that they had not been "profaned". I use the term loosely because I doubt that there are many magicians who could take the Regardie book and make a real Golden Dawn connection. It requires taking lots of different things, teachings, inner connections and knowledge to make that equation. But cutting a third of the ritual is not a good start.Nick Farrellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01663533542726414450noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8458080909001903011.post-85165160657985362132010-04-10T13:22:56.962+02:002010-04-10T13:22:56.962+02:00Hi Perigrin
Yes the Aurora Aurea uses the flashing...Hi Perigrin<br />Yes the Aurora Aurea uses the flashing colours for most of the diagrams. The reason for this is part of the evolution of the GD and in some respects humanity. While the original GD and Whare Ra used black and white for most of its diagrams this was a different society. I used to think it was a move to emphasis the vault and the colour teachings of the second order. But then it occurred to me that when the GD first appeared there was no second order so it was not to protect a colour system it was simply the way of doing things. <br />However I dont see a problem in showing colour provided that we do not teach it. In this we are using all the magical techniques in our armoury for a candidate's initiation to make sure it has the maximum effect.<br />It does make a big difference. The candidate is aware that they are experiencing something magical rather than simply a drawing copied from a book.Nick Farrellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01663533542726414450noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8458080909001903011.post-88867741235048555542010-04-10T11:48:42.184+02:002010-04-10T11:48:42.184+02:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Sincerus Renatus...https://www.blogger.com/profile/16773943810683981054noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8458080909001903011.post-64507701754624827022010-04-09T22:43:51.415+02:002010-04-09T22:43:51.415+02:00Great post Nick!
I am glad the Magical Order of A...Great post Nick!<br /><br />I am glad the Magical Order of Aurora Aurea are using the original diagrams. We were always taught they were to be used in a talismanic way. Further to your discussion we were also taught that they were activated by the presence of the officer “showing” the diagram to the candidate. And also much of the transmission of the “teaching” and blessings of the diagram was controlled and directed by the officer via her touch of the candidate during the speech. In some cases the touch is via a grip throughout the outer speech. In other cases it is via a few simple touches at particular moments or movements within the candidate’s sphere of sensation.<br /><br />I am interested in the Magical Order of Aurora Aurea’s use of colour in these Outer Order diagrams. We were taught the original GD diagrams were very basic; either black and white or occasionally black, red and white. The flashing colours were never used – and there is a clause from the Inner initiations referring to them directly. A Sydney temple I know of still uses this approach. In the temple I helped found in Perth, we modified this approach and used the flashing colours since they are now used and available even outside the tradition. We had good results but I do not have enough personal data to compare the two approaches. Do you?<br /><br />Your point about the diagrams being used in a systematic way throughout the entire Outer Order process is really important. This is a mark of the true genius of the GD and I have long tried to make clear that the Outer Order grades can, in once sense, be seen as a single initiation or magical operation spread over several ceremonies and years. Many of the ‘strange’ or dissonant aspects of the ceremonies and even the Knowledge Lectures become clear when we approach the tradition in this unified way and with an eye open for the subtle, though powerful, magical mechanisms within it. There is so much in even the Outer GD, the initiation ceremonies can perhaps be viewed as scripture and each performance of them as exegesis bringing out new meaning, depth and spiritual realization. They are inexhaustible in their wonder and blessings.<br /><br />Thanks again for the post :)Peregrinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09508191641503321789noreply@blogger.com