tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8458080909001903011.post1308297143045205597..comments2023-09-14T06:40:37.907+02:00Comments on Nick Farrell's Blog: List of things that are unimportant to the Golden Dawn TraditionAnonymoushttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11198094991381684617noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8458080909001903011.post-3663944972129592662011-03-15T15:02:57.688+01:002011-03-15T15:02:57.688+01:00Care Fr SV,
I'd be happy to continue the disc...Care Fr SV,<br /><br />I'd be happy to continue the discussion on MOTO.<br /><br />http://magicoftheordinary.wordpress.com/2009/04/13/christianity-again-letting-go-a-few-myths/<br /><br />http://magicoftheordinary.wordpress.com/2009/03/18/esoteric-christianity/<br /><br />http://magicoftheordinary.wordpress.com/2011/02/21/short-rough-and-ready-thoughts-on-wicca-and-christianity/<br /><br />or trundle over to Matt Stone's blog http://mattstone.blogs.com/ and have a look - he has lots of links :)Peregrinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09508191641503321789noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8458080909001903011.post-32101533192719812412011-03-15T14:53:45.400+01:002011-03-15T14:53:45.400+01:00Peregrin,
Can you point me to a more appropriate ...Peregrin,<br /><br />Can you point me to a more appropriate blog (one of yours maybe) where this discussion about the "Christian mysteries" and their incorporation into hermeticism can continue just a bit? I don't want to go that far off point from Nick's topic here.<br /><br />I disagree with your statement that "the belief in the incarnation of the Messiah [is] one" of the distinctions that distiguishes "older material" from Christianity. I believe this concept predates Christianity, i.e., Horus. But as I stated, I don't want to diverge too far here from Nick's topic matter for this blog.S.V.https://www.blogger.com/profile/14485713664230077664noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8458080909001903011.post-83118598112750827312011-03-15T03:23:55.645+01:002011-03-15T03:23:55.645+01:00Peregrin,
Thank you for your insightful reply. I...Peregrin,<br /><br />Thank you for your insightful reply. It is instructive. With regard to my statements that Christianity is a political invention of Rome, I was a bit broad. I meant as Chrisitianity is more often thought of today exoterically. I did not mean to speak of those "many diverse forms" that existed prior to Rome co-opting the central idea.<br /><br />Thanks.S.V.https://www.blogger.com/profile/14485713664230077664noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8458080909001903011.post-49506298639686281642011-03-15T03:03:59.653+01:002011-03-15T03:03:59.653+01:00Care SV,
While this is not the time or place to r...Care SV,<br /><br />While this is not the time or place to really go into it, there are some distinct differences between Christianity and the older material it used - the belief in the incarnation of the Messiah being one. <br /><br />As Nick says, the GD is not a Christian Order, so anyone with any thoughts can be part of it. As for Christianity being a political invention of Rome, this is not quite true. 'Christianity', in many diverse forms, existed for a few hundred years before it stopped being persecuted by Roman authorities and became the Roman state religion. It was never a Roman invention, only co-opted later by the Empire. Knowing the history of this would not in any way invalidate someone from being a Rosicrucian. <br /><br />The point is there are plenty of Christian teachings, traditions and resources that allow us to penetrate the mysteries without accepting the doctrinal forms perpetuated by the established churches. This is partly what esoteric Christianity is concerned with. I think establishing a rapport with the RR et AC motifs and practices also promotes this. Thanks. :)Peregrinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09508191641503321789noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8458080909001903011.post-1261523782698658192011-03-15T02:38:58.544+01:002011-03-15T02:38:58.544+01:00Nice discussion. Relevant questions:
Isn't C...Nice discussion. Relevant questions:<br /><br />Isn't Christianity based upon older material? If some believe, by reason of evidence, Christianity to be a political invention of Rome, does this somehow invalidate these people from belonging to one of the Golden Dawns or Rosicrucian teachings?<br /><br />It seems to me that I would have a difficult time "pretending" to be open to Christian mysteries, when in my heart I believed the underlying principles were just grafted onto a state inspired religion. I would have to reframe the principles or teachings in my mind so as to be separate from Christianity.<br /><br />Thoughts appreciated.S.V.https://www.blogger.com/profile/14485713664230077664noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8458080909001903011.post-45130884963842553302011-03-15T01:16:45.944+01:002011-03-15T01:16:45.944+01:00Ah, Nick, when you put it like that, no, of course...Ah, Nick, when you put it like that, no, of course not :) Was just reacting... lolPeregrinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09508191641503321789noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8458080909001903011.post-20552741172387736792011-03-14T18:08:04.761+01:002011-03-14T18:08:04.761+01:00About Christianity... the point of the post was &q...About Christianity... the point of the post was "is it really important to the fabric of the GD to say that the Inner Order is Christian".Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18397283594429773853noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8458080909001903011.post-84286965487077758002011-03-14T15:59:04.193+01:002011-03-14T15:59:04.193+01:00Hi Nick,
Great list-thanks. Maybe it’s cos of the...Hi Nick,<br /><br />Great list-thanks. Maybe it’s cos of the isolation of Perth, but I am surprised that any significant group of people still REALLY believe some of these myths. It just seems daft these days to be worrying about the authenticity of the Sprengel Letters as if they were bloody holy writ.<br /><br />That said, a few comments. :) I think you are dead on the money re ‘spiritual lineage’. I have seen teacher to student spiritual lineage in the art of magic passed on when both were members of the same Order. The Order’s lineage was worthless magically, but the teaching lineage was gold.<br /><br />I agree with you and Chic; the ‘secret chiefs’ will come when and if they are needed, and maybe not in any anthropomorphised way at all, in which case, yes, no need to mention them. That said, I have seen the inner contact system (not in any way connected to running an Order where it would be a damn silly intervention) work well and produce much practical and magical teaching. Some people and groups can work this method healthily, many simply go to pot.<br /><br />Personally, I think it is stretching the band too far to say the RR et AC can easily been seen as Pagan or neutral. Sure, it is by some groups, but I feel the many layered depths and links to the Christian based Rosicrucian myth means we can easily lose a lot if we are not open to the Christian motifs. As I said on MOTO, I do not think the RR et AC is like an Ikea sofa which one can simply take apart, replace the cover with a more pleasing Pagan/neutral shade, plonk back together and carry on. The Christian based symbolism is woven within the very structure of the Order. This does not mean we need to be Christians (thank God), but I think sometimes we need to be more open esoterically to the Christian mysteries than some groups promote. We may differ here :)<br /><br />Re Grades – right on! Thanks for the post :)Peregrinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09508191641503321789noreply@blogger.com